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		<title>By: lafours</title>
		<link>http://nowisgone.com/2007/09/17/yellow-crayon-redux-journalism-vs-blogging/#comment-980</link>
		<dc:creator>lafours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to read the opinions of bloggers, they may not have the traing and sometimes go for shock tactics but it all adds up to a wide spectrum of opinions.</description>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Journalists Blogging Under The Masthead</title>
		<link>http://nowisgone.com/2007/09/17/yellow-crayon-redux-journalism-vs-blogging/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Journalists Blogging Under The Masthead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cross post; however, that idea seemed to get lost since the example we used hit a nerve with many. Geoff&#8217;s follow up post also brings the discussion back to the larger issue - the role/responsibility of journalists who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cross post; however, that idea seemed to get lost since the example we used hit a nerve with many. Geoff&#8217;s follow up post also brings the discussion back to the larger issue - the role/responsibility of journalists who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalists Blogging Under The Masthead &#124; Internet Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://nowisgone.com/2007/09/17/yellow-crayon-redux-journalism-vs-blogging/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalists Blogging Under The Masthead &#124; Internet Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cross post; however, that idea seemed to get lost since the example we used hit a nerve with many. Geoff&#8217;s follow up post also brings the discussion back to the larger issue - the role/responsibility of journalists who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cross post; however, that idea seemed to get lost since the example we used hit a nerve with many. Geoff&#8217;s follow up post also brings the discussion back to the larger issue - the role/responsibility of journalists who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://nowisgone.com/2007/09/17/yellow-crayon-redux-journalism-vs-blogging/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't understand some parts of this article Gone » Yellow crayon Redux: Journalism vs. Blogging, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article Gone » Yellow crayon Redux: Journalism vs. Blogging, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism vs. Blogging III: No Ethical Codes &#187; The Buzz Bin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalism vs. Blogging III: No Ethical Codes &#187; The Buzz Bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment discussions in parts I and II (Advertising Age Uses a Yellow crayon w/ Toby Bloomberg and Yellow crayon Redux: Journalism versus Blogging) is that ethical journalism is falling to the way side. The media are reacting to lost advertising [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comment discussions in parts I and II (Advertising Age Uses a Yellow crayon w/ Toby Bloomberg and Yellow crayon Redux: Journalism versus Blogging) is that ethical journalism is falling to the way side. The media are reacting to lost advertising [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Toad</title>
		<link>http://nowisgone.com/2007/09/17/yellow-crayon-redux-journalism-vs-blogging/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randall Rothenberg, who wrote for the ad trades for years, just started something he calls a "Clog" - a cross between a column and a blog.

Maybe that's the proper forum for someone like Jonah Bloom.

Here's Rothenberg'd link: http://www.randallrothenberg.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall Rothenberg, who wrote for the ad trades for years, just started something he calls a &#8220;Clog&#8221; - a cross between a column and a blog.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the proper forum for someone like Jonah Bloom.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Rothenberg&#8217;d link: <a href="http://www.randallrothenberg.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.randallrothenberg.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: geoliv</title>
		<link>http://nowisgone.com/2007/09/17/yellow-crayon-redux-journalism-vs-blogging/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>geoliv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reading these comments... Still disagree, but realize this is the way the group conscience sees it.  It's too bad that so many people are willing to accept hat I would call pulp fiction in their trade news. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Giff had it right when he said, "Rather than try to put put humpty dumpty back together, maybe it is time to pop the myth of objective journalism up on it’s pedestals and call it as it is."&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For another journalist's take on this discussion check out, "The Road from media Ethics to Information Anarchy," by PC Magazine's John Dvorak.  Thanks, Ike, for sending me the link:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2184130,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000584&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;"The public is the police. Things get even more complex as bloggers and new-media publishers arrive with a mix of news, hoaxes, and singular opinion. There are no standard ethics for any of these people, and despite stupid attempts to create a blogger's code of ethics, there never will be one except on a publication-by-publication basis. The holier-than-thou old media thinking will fall by the wayside. In new media publications, ethics are demanded by the readers, not the editors."&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading these comments&#8230; Still disagree, but realize this is the way the group conscience sees it.  It&#8217;s too bad that so many people are willing to accept hat I would call pulp fiction in their trade news. </p>
<p>Giff had it right when he said, &#8220;Rather than try to put put humpty dumpty back together, maybe it is time to pop the myth of objective journalism up on it’s pedestals and call it as it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>For another journalist&#8217;s take on this discussion check out, &#8220;The Road from media Ethics to Information Anarchy,&#8221; by PC Magazine&#8217;s John Dvorak.  Thanks, Ike, for sending me the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2184130,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000584" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2184130,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000584</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The public is the police. Things get even more complex as bloggers and new-media publishers arrive with a mix of news, hoaxes, and singular opinion. There are no standard ethics for any of these people, and despite stupid attempts to create a blogger&#8217;s code of ethics, there never will be one except on a publication-by-publication basis. The holier-than-thou old media thinking will fall by the wayside. In new media publications, ethics are demanded by the readers, not the editors.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GeoLiv: Ad Age, last time I checked, was trying to throw off it's stodgy "for account and media types only" image and play in the hipper ballpark that Adweek plays in.

Jonah Bloom is a prime mover in this, as his columns often assume a snarkier, hipper tone than say Bob Garfield.

I still say you're confusing his status as an editor with his status as a columnist. Op-Ed columnists have a lot more play and, even at the New York Times, get away with things that the editorial page writers can't.

I mean it's not like Ad Age is a bastion of high-end journalism. It's a trade pub that for too long reprinted press releases, but is now coming into its own with real reporting and columns like Bloom's. He mocked the doublespeak of Jaffe's post because it claimed to be all about transparency yet it was quite opaque. He didn't personally attack Joe or claim that his company sucked or that Jaffe was a fraud or anything.

@Ike: Yup. Totally agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GeoLiv: Ad Age, last time I checked, was trying to throw off it&#8217;s stodgy &#8220;for account and media types only&#8221; image and play in the hipper ballpark that Adweek plays in.</p>
<p>Jonah Bloom is a prime mover in this, as his columns often assume a snarkier, hipper tone than say Bob Garfield.</p>
<p>I still say you&#8217;re confusing his status as an editor with his status as a columnist. Op-Ed columnists have a lot more play and, even at the New York Times, get away with things that the editorial page writers can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I mean it&#8217;s not like Ad Age is a bastion of high-end journalism. It&#8217;s a trade pub that for too long reprinted press releases, but is now coming into its own with real reporting and columns like Bloom&#8217;s. He mocked the doublespeak of Jaffe&#8217;s post because it claimed to be all about transparency yet it was quite opaque. He didn&#8217;t personally attack Joe or claim that his company sucked or that Jaffe was a fraud or anything.</p>
<p>@Ike: Yup. Totally agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be diverging a bit, but at Ragan Communications there are at least six or seven people who blog under the Ragan banner and I've only met two. These bloggers write about whatever they want from wherever they want without any editorial oversight from Ragan headquarters in Chicago. 

I suspect that's different at Ad Age, but I know that we have received angry e-mails or calls from readers who want to know why Ragan has a problem with this person or company. This kind of baffles us until we realize that one of our bloggers just skewered someone on their blog. Or we get e-mails about indecency, and then we realize Steve Crescenzo blogged about his testicles again. 

So it's an interesting question, and one I don't see as much reason to get worked up over because I agreed with Bloom's critique of Jaffe's prose ... ACK! I do understand what Geoff is saying about providing objective coverage of something before editorializing on it, particularly because that might be (and I dont' know for sure) the only information the average Ad Age reader receives about the shake up at crayon. 

But I know at Ragan it's almost impossible to coordinate ahead of time our reporting with what is written by our bloggers, who might post about something obscure in the middle of the night. Or they might post something about their body parts, and we aren't in the business of covering our blogger's body parts ... at least not yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be diverging a bit, but at Ragan Communications there are at least six or seven people who blog under the Ragan banner and I&#8217;ve only met two. These bloggers write about whatever they want from wherever they want without any editorial oversight from Ragan headquarters in Chicago. </p>
<p>I suspect that&#8217;s different at Ad Age, but I know that we have received angry e-mails or calls from readers who want to know why Ragan has a problem with this person or company. This kind of baffles us until we realize that one of our bloggers just skewered someone on their blog. Or we get e-mails about indecency, and then we realize Steve Crescenzo blogged about his testicles again. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s an interesting question, and one I don&#8217;t see as much reason to get worked up over because I agreed with Bloom&#8217;s critique of Jaffe&#8217;s prose &#8230; ACK! I do understand what Geoff is saying about providing objective coverage of something before editorializing on it, particularly because that might be (and I dont&#8217; know for sure) the only information the average Ad Age reader receives about the shake up at crayon. </p>
<p>But I know at Ragan it&#8217;s almost impossible to coordinate ahead of time our reporting with what is written by our bloggers, who might post about something obscure in the middle of the night. Or they might post something about their body parts, and we aren&#8217;t in the business of covering our blogger&#8217;s body parts &#8230; at least not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: geoliv</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoliv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, Toad, CK and Lewis.  Let me play Devil's advocate. You are right, it's perfectly acceptable for Ad Age to run columns like this and they have no ethical responsibility to present a balanced point of view.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Per Ike's column later (coming in a few hours), then they also have to understand the impact on their masthead.  Which in my opinion, given their less than stellar maintenance of the Ad Age 150, their second life coverage and this, makes them the equivalent of the National Enquirer or the New York Post for social media marketing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You sacrifice quality, and you pay one way or the other. Unfortunately, this marks a significant departure for Advertising Age. But hey, if Murdoch can buy the Wall Street Journal, why not this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Personally I'd rather demand better standards and hold Advertising Age accountable for its faux paus and hope we don't have to call it the New York Post of new media.  I value a decent authoritative media source that has a little more going for it then an unrestrained "journalist" like Bloom ranting like a 6 year old.  I can read Strumpette for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Authoritative media still have a voice in this increasingly blended marketplace... The voice of fact checking, balanced points of view.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Toad, CK and Lewis.  Let me play Devil&#8217;s advocate. You are right, it&#8217;s perfectly acceptable for Ad Age to run columns like this and they have no ethical responsibility to present a balanced point of view.</p>
<p>Per Ike&#8217;s column later (coming in a few hours), then they also have to understand the impact on their masthead.  Which in my opinion, given their less than stellar maintenance of the Ad Age 150, their second life coverage and this, makes them the equivalent of the National Enquirer or the New York Post for social media marketing.</p>
<p>You sacrifice quality, and you pay one way or the other. Unfortunately, this marks a significant departure for Advertising Age. But hey, if Murdoch can buy the Wall Street Journal, why not this?</p>
<p> Personally I&#8217;d rather demand better standards and hold Advertising Age accountable for its faux paus and hope we don&#8217;t have to call it the New York Post of new media.  I value a decent authoritative media source that has a little more going for it then an unrestrained &#8220;journalist&#8221; like Bloom ranting like a 6 year old.  I can read Strumpette for that.</p>
<p>Authoritative media still have a voice in this increasingly blended marketplace&#8230; The voice of fact checking, balanced points of view.</p>
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